Convener: Hannah Aubry

Participants (add yourself here if you want to be listed, no obligation): Name and Fediverse handle

• Jaz-Michael King (@jaz@toot.wales, jaz@toot.wales)
• Johannes Ernst (@j12t@social.coop)
• Manton Reece (@manton@manton.org, manton@micro.blog)

Key points:

• Owncast ❤️

• fedi will thrive with for-profit present

• protected from take over - culture will protect but need support

• moderation & host services - customer service, and they knew how to behave here

• companies will have to learn bad habits - some come cautiously, some not (IFTAS)

• Moderation group on Fedi: @moderation@venera.social

• IFTAS overview: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11417wmhW2xWZ7Le0Aw0NCgbGdZ_qOGnlfH6jZUmR-Us

• Shannon Clark / @rycaut@mastodon.social says: “eternal September” (1993 I believe if memory serves)

• we love to support the fediverse - here are the values of companies who want to participate - codify values

• Jeff Jarvis says: Yes. No reason a company cannot start the discussion by putting out a proposed covenant for public comments

• how to make it really easy for companies to support a lot of different companies

• URI, paytube

• Charles E. Lehner says: Possible values here? https://getdweb.net/principles/ https://dwebyvr.org/DWeb-Principles/

• there’s always going to be landgrabs - can’t be stopped

• rules of the road, helpful

• what is the intention of companies coming to the space? $$, communion, marketing? NOT advertising

• “you don’t come to my phone calls to sell me something”

• “federation is a priv not a right”

• NOT a replacement for Twitter

• OpenID community - relying on technical specifications & community

• obvious strategy for a company coming here is consuming data but never publishing back out

• business certification set forth by the community

• take a few weeks to listen before you start posting - encourage acculturation. somewhat baked in, but will it scale? there are already islands

• instead of talking about a code of conduct - more productive to talk in terms of norms. what are the rules of engagement?

• commercialization: don’t have much power as an end user. singer-user instance? too much friction, how do I get to power the invidial user?

• Gabe Kangas says: I would love to see more single-user everything to allow people to control things. Right now it sounds crazy, but I do hope the centralization pendulum swings. Low cost, easier to operate, low friction self-hosted services.

• operators now are hobbyists - this takes time and real money. there will be a natural change in the scenery. those who take it on the future will need to align to regulatory norms

• some want to subscribe to and hear “advertisments” from things they care about. but it needs to be opt in.

• we have a certain architecture (technical and governance architecture) that makes instance admins into “overlords”

• movement needs to be more fluid, technically

• governance models can incentivize or remove fiefdoms