Convener: Jeremiah Lee (@Jeremiah@alpaca.gold), Evan Prodromou
Participants (add yourself here if you want to be listed, no obligation): Name and Fediverse handle
- Tim Erickson (@firstname.lastname@example.org)
- Shannon Clark (@email@example.com)
- Deb Schultz (@firstname.lastname@example.org)
- Jesse Baer (@email@example.com)
- Hannah Aubry (@firstname.lastname@example.org)
- Gabe Kangas (@email@example.com)
- Christel van der Boom (@firstname.lastname@example.org)
- Peter Benjamin Ani (@email@example.com)
- Tim Chambers (@firstname.lastname@example.org)
- Jamie Clark (@email@example.com)
- Sarthak Vijayvergiya (firstname.lastname@example.org, @email@example.com)
- Steve Vitka (@firstname.lastname@example.org, although email@example.com is better)
- Jeff (@Jeff@newsie.social (work) or @firstname.lastname@example.org (fun))
- Steve Ediger (@email@example.com) chicommons.coop, datacommons.coop (and find.coop)
- Ryan Barrett (@firstname.lastname@example.org)
- Lucas Gonze (@email@example.com)
- Individual monetization (creator) vs instance/server monetization (suggesting this should be discussed) vs software developers (clients & server) vs protocol/api maintainers (Mastodon API, ActivityPub etc)
- idea proposed - each server issues its own currency (not a fan - Shannon)
- SV: currency per instance
- PHB: micropayments don’t work but
- Deb: what works with Patreon as an example (Shannon - addition - look at Twitch as well)
- historical example - community dollars might be a historic model (but still not a fan - shannon)
- Time banks are another example
- But also look at how/how badly currency in games works / doesn’t work
- Deb: I worry about any advertising model as it monetizes attention vs value and intention
- Jeremiah: I like fiat. 😃 This is why I think Interledger network can help. Get a digital wallet that supports payment pointers (variety of providers) and share your payment pointer to your fans.
- Jesse: important of being mindful of conversations vs not just interacting with people making “content”/monetizing it
- Gabe: I totally agree with Jesse. When everything becomes monetized it changes the “vibe”. I love that the Fediverse isn’t trying to sell me anything or to steal my eyeballs.
- Jeremiah: Whether you personally like influencers or not, they have influence because millions of people do like them.
- Tim: Tumblr (soon to be in the Fediverse) already does have this form of tipping for inside Tumblr at least: https://help.tumblr.com/hc/en-us/articles/4417356885527-Tipping
- Deb: take a step back and look at monetization as awareness/presence
- Hannah: +++ Debs, maybe the answer is integrating with existing monetization models. slightly facetious, but OnlyFans is right there! (and patreon, twitch, etc.)
- Tim: We should start thinking of the Fediverse as just part of the open web…so it should tie into any good, distributed open web solutions for tipping, giving etc
- Evan: world has changed / tools for content creators now ex
- Chat: We should create a code of conduct for monetizing content. Is there a need for collecting “best practices”?
- Related: https://webmonetization.org/
- Evan: Running instances as coops.
- Deb: I’d love to explore what MAJOR investment/support for a public fediverse looks like - civic, govt, city, nonprofit - or is that too scary?
- Jeff: using open collective to successfully raise funds to support server. But, has had to become a fundraiser and do things like “dye beard pink” and “write poems” - Need to provide a entertaining experience.
- Chat: One of the things has the biggest impact on payments is just making it easy to pay.
- Communication Currency - https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9u7zod8rg50rr2/Contact%20Credits.pdf?dl=0 - from Steve Vitka